gohiking
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The price of gas may have come down, but driving an electric car makes you feel a whole lot better about your impact on the environment contributing 98% less CO2 into the atmosphere.
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ccf_jeff
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I agree on the bicycle thing dopster. I think it's a crying shame that it's so dangerous to try and ride them any significant distance other than riding trails which are for recreational purposes only.
If the planners would only have put in shoulders or widened them a bit in many of the areas people could have another good, environmentally clean transportation alternative for many purposes, such as running errands, going to the store, visiting friends or getting to work, at least for many people.
It would have multiple beneficial effects, including reducing pollution, greenhouse gasses, dependence on oil imported from hostile regimes, our federal trade deficit among other things. Lower demand should help ease price pressures, of course, even for those who can't or choose not to use a bicycle for transportation purposes. It is also one of the best aerobic exercises available to us. I think it comes in 2nd place only to cross country skiing, and like skiing is a low impact exercise. At least if you have a relatively safe place to do it. ;)
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gohiking
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Lies told repeatedly still don't become the truth.
2% emissions from electric cars are 50 times cleaner than gas cars regardless of whether the energy is generated from coal or not. And if 2% seems too high, you can always switch to solar or wind power to power your home and your car.
100% of batteries are recycled now in Western countries, with no negative effects to the environment.
The conversion cost of an electric car is only there because of the monopoly of oil companies, car manufacturers, and politicians and is a completely artificial cost that shouldn't be there. Remember that 10 years ago there was the GM EV1, Toyota Rav-4, and Honda electric cars and they didn't have a conversion cost, but when Bush won the White House, his oil buddies didn't want more electric cars on the road and guess what -- They dissapeared.
I thank god every day for my electric car!
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Do we really need college courses? We should have learned from the odd /even days of the 70's.
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When are there going to be college classes on this stuff? Our economy needs a good swift kick in the gut.
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Nice
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when oil runs out there will be lots of electric cars
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I agree. Electric cars aren't going to be the be all, end all solution,but part of a move away from oil dependance. Agree with the comment about the lack of accommadation for bicycles, too. No safe place to ride to work, store, etc.
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Somis1
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Come on, plug-in hybrids.
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gotta get me one of those
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must be nice
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It's a start, but hydrogen needs a serious shot at it too.
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Combine the electric car with solar or wind power and we can become closer to being self-sufficient and tell the oil producing countries where to stick their over-priced barrels of oil!
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At about 9:02 down below, PaulieFL makes a good point about bicycles. - about the lack of places to ride them safely. It's like that in MD too - there's lots of bike paths, but they go nowhere, and reduce the need for cars exactly 0%.
That happened courtesy of the local militant bicycle terrorist group, WABA.
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old news
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Yeah, but an unintended consequence is high cost of electricity. Oops......back to the drawing board.
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What ever floats your boat...
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that $20,000 for batteries will buy a lot of gas.
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What beats the high cost of the electric car?
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Electric is great! Everyone should own a golf cart.
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gohiking
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Lies told repeatedly still don't become the truth.
2% emissions from electric cars are 50 times cleaner than gas cars regardless of whether the energy is generated from coal or not. And if 2% seems too high, you can always switch to solar or wind power to power your home and your car.
100% of batteries are recycled now in Western countries, with no negative effects to the environment.
The conversion cost of an electric car is only there because of the monopoly of oil companies, car manufacturers, and politicians and is a completely artificial cost that shouldn't be there. Remember that 10 years ago there was the GM EV1, Toyota Rav-4, and Honda electric cars and they didn't have a conversion cost, but when Bush won the White House, his oil buddies didn't want more electric cars on the road and guess what -- They dissapeared.
I thank god every day for my electric car!
[Edited by: gohiking at 7/4/2008 9:52:02 EST]
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BoerneWatch
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You can buy a Suburban getting 15 mpg that is a few years old and drive it for YEARS and not spend as much as you do on a little electric car that you can't take 50 miles in any one direction.
Yes, the gas is expensive, but 15,000 miles will cost $4,000 today. 60,000 will cost you $16,000 and you still have to drive twice that to break even driving something that can not carry 4 people for 100 miles at even 50 mph.
Electric is getting there, but still has a long way to go.
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and where does the electricity come from to charge those batteries?
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spunky4443
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Funny, there was no mention of the price he payed for NEW BATTERIES???????
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Blah,blah,blah
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Don't count on it, there are other costs to car ownership than gasoline.
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CheapoBob
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ain't thi old
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Where does the electricity come from?
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AlaRedNeck
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how does one beat the high cost of electric vehicles?
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I agree with CJarman, usually only the side that wants to be told is relayed in these doom and gloom stories about how much big oil is depressing the american economy.
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And yet it uses coal which is worse than oil for green gases.
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remember, electric generation takes fuel, too.
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Amazing the kind of impact a teeny lil excursion to the sands can have eh...
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Right cableman31. Bush did this to the WHOLE world. Wake up man.
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The message PaulieFL wrote @ 8:40 AM today hits the nail on the head. Like he said, wake up America, the boy Bush and his cronies still have almost 180 days left. They still can do alot of damage. Lets at least stop it in Nov. We are going to be paying for the Bush boys for a long time. Wake up AMERICA.
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A $13000 - $16000 conversion is NO SAVINGS at all. Littauer spent WAY MORE than he will save over the rest of the life of that 914. Not a viable alternative, IMO.
The problem with this kind of story is that the REAL COST is seldom told. His 914 would normally get around 20MPG (guessing). If he drove 50 miles every 3 days, he could fill up once every 2 weeks. His annual cost for fuel would be around $1250.00. Add in a couple of $20 oil/filter changes and he'd spend around $1300.00 per year on fuel/oil for the car.
At $13000 to covert, it would take him 10 years to recoup the cost of conversion -- and that would be the BREAK EVEN point. To actually SAVE any money, he'd have to drive the car more than 10 years.
And those calculations don't have any replacement battery costs factored in.
[Edited by: CJarman at 7/4/2008 9:25:49 AM EST]
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How much did he spend to convert to battery power?
Are the batteries going to last forever?
Is this just creating another old, dead battery disposal problem for our grandchildren and their grandchildren?
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Ya think?
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Funny how they blame one political party over another. Come on people its both parties that are at fault for where we are now. This is what we get for letting big business and big money run our political system. Oh yeah don't forget to send your congressman a thank you note!
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Energy costs are rising across the board and will be reflected in electicity as well as gasoline
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so do bicycles.
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The oil situation is making everyone focus on new ways and new energy sources. We have become very complacent and settled in our ways. This is a wake up call.
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IF 50 kilometer is about 31 miles and IF it costs $36 to run a fridge for a year, it doesn't sound like it's worth it.
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An alternative
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Okay, this guy has not spent one cent on gasoline ... but the conversion to electric cost a cool $12,000 to $15,000! Call this a winner?
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does his battery recharge itself or does it get it recharge from oil fired generators
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I think we should put sails on our cars and trucks, if you get a tail wind woopie!
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Blah, blah, blah. Get a grip.
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Ingenuity like that is what is going to get us on the right track.Solar,wind,it'll be a hundred little things not one big thing.Oil has been a blessing,it has allowed us to make a huge leap in really only a hundred years.Now were going to have to think and roll up our sleeves.
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This will be nice until everyone uses them and then the electric companies will be the evil greedy ones.
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