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Penny_Pincher Veteran Author Columbus Posts:435 Points:22,695 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:07:18 PM Ignore Penny_Pincher Report Abuse (CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground. "This is a big deal," Gov. Peter Shumlin said Wednesday. "This bill will ensure that we do not inject chemicals into groundwater in a desperate pursuit for energy." (CONTRIBUTOR'S NOTE: There is no Marcellus or Utica Shale under Vermont to Frack. A fact that none of the bazillion news articles today mentions.) Visit CNN for full article

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(CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.

"This is a big deal," Gov. Peter Shumlin said Wednesday. "This bill will ensure that we do not inject chemicals into groundwater in a desperate pursuit for energy."

(CONTRIBUTOR'S NOTE: There is no Marcellus or Utica Shale under Vermont to Frack. A fact that none of the bazillion news articles today mentions.)

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teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,143 Points:1,388,765 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 24, 2012 8:16:06 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse I happen to be very fond of organic Maple Syrup from Vermont. I'm glad the wise folks of Vermont decided not to risk their water supply with fracking chemicals . What Will Fracking Do to Your Food Supply? Fracking Puts Colorado’s Organic Farmers Under Siege Farmers get fracked Fracking Could Ruin New York's Organic Food Industry For NY farmers, fracking means salvation _ or ruin
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,277 Points:1,744,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 10:58:57 AM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse A waste of government time and money to ban something that will never be done in the state.
07skydriver Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,275 Points:986,010 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 10:23:40 AM Ignore 07skydriver Report Abuse OK Vermont.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,973 Points:756,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 9:57:38 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse LOL, tea continues to fear the boogie man! Carefully perusing even Tea's erroneous info one must notice the following information linked by Fracfocus to "trade secret" OSHA rules, where it states that ALL CHEMICALS MUST BE LABELED AND IDENTIFIED, there are NO SECRETS. See that ‡ in Fracfocus disclosure??? It leads you to.... From OSHA: "Trade secret" means any confidential formula, pattern, process, device, information or compilation of information that is used in an employer's business, and that gives the employer an opportunity to obtain an advantage over competitors who do not know or use it. Appendix D sets out the criteria to be used in evaluating trade secrets. PDQ, 2 questions: 1. What phony list do you refer to? 2. What do you mean by "without fighting it in court"...do you not believe in our countries freedoms and innocent until proven guilty??? Humbly awaiting your response. It is obvious that Teafortwo does not believe in that basic tenet of our country's freedoms. EVERY CHEMICAL MUST BE DISCLOSED BY LAW [Edited by: drpepperTX at 5/18/2012 10:58:53 AM EST]
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,143 Points:1,388,765 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 1:01:47 AM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Three cheers for Vermont. Other states are also considering this to protect their water from the frackers. Excellent comments PDQBlues. Well said. I know exactly what you mean about the partial list of chemical information. The frackers are still hiding behind the "trade secret" loopholes they built for themselves. The FracFocus website which has been MIS-represented as the industries disclosure website but is simply more industry hocus-pocus. The site is extremely convoluted and incomplete ... which sadly is what we have come to expect from the oil & gas industry. That and a whole industry built around churning out dis-information by thugs and spin doctors. Why is it that when frackers talk about their safety record, they say fracking has been done "safely" for over 50 years. AND YET, the FrackFocus records only go back to January 2011. Hello. A whole 16 months of partial records? Seriously? More OIL & GAS industry bait and switch. How many times have GasBuddies been told there are no secrets in the fracking "secret sauce"? Quotes from the FracFocus website: FAQ - "I know there are wells in my area that have been fractured, but when I search for them I get no results. Why? The most likely reasons are that either the wells were fractured before January 1, 2011 or they have not yet been entered into the system. Only wells fractured after January 1st will be entered into the system ..." FAQ - "What chemicals are being disclosed on this website? All chemicals that would appear on a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) that are used to hydraulically fracture a well except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions related to MSDS found on the Trade Secret link at 1910.1200(i)(1)." except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions except for those that can be kept proprietary based on the “Trade Secret” ‡ provisions So for folks whose water was contaminated before January 2011 by unknown "trade secret" chemicals?
BJWI Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,431 Points:740,325 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 12:24:14 AM Ignore BJWI Report Abuse Vermont gets it.
aquarinut Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,628 Points:437,605 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 9:56:31 PM Ignore aquarinut Report Abuse I can understand why Vermont would be the first state to put a ban on fracking..... they have no fossil fuel resources!! The EIA has even published a report: http://205.254.135.7/state/state-energy-profiles-analysis.cfm?sid=VT It even goes on to state that: " Vermont generates a higher percentage of its electricity from nuclear power than any other State. The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant typically accounts for about three-fourths of total electricity generation." And: "In March 2008, Vermont adopted a renewable energy goal to produce 25 percent of the energy consumed in the State from renewable sources, in particular from the State’s farms and forests, by 2025." And the one I really love: " Because it has no air quality non-attainment areas, Vermont allows the statewide use of conventional motor gasoline." Yup! Vermont definitely has the right reasons to ban fracking and make "brownie points"... or should it be "greenie points".... through media hype on their environmental "concerns"!!!!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,089 Points:1,451,250 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 8:15:58 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse I have great respect for Vermont. The people there understand that the exchange for money and business for their health and lives is a bad trade. Until the fracking industry can come clean about ALL the chemicals used in fracking (and not some phony partial list) and promise to pay any and all costs associated with water contamination that occurs afterwards (without fighting it in court, tooth and nail), then maybe people would be more open to the procedure.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,143 Points:1,388,765 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 5:16:04 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Water is essential to life. AND tastes so much better without: hydrocarbons arsenic heavy metals "trade secret" fracking sauce Make mine a glass of pure fresh water, please :0} Part of the problem is that the Earth acts as a giant filter for our water table. Water aquifers and rivers flow beyond state boundaries. This is why we need Federal Regulation of these frackers activities. They think filling the Earth with toxic chemicals is OK when there's a big enough profit.
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,390 Points:881,465 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 3:50:27 PM Ignore listerone Report Abuse Communist punks.They should be cut off from petroleum products entirely.Rumor has it that it gets a bit nippy up there in winter.Let them heat their homes with rainbows and moonbeams.
jcotaxi Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,775 Points:363,005 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 2:23:50 PM Ignore jcotaxi Report Abuse Hogwash! We inject chemicals into practically everything. Every human injects chemicals into their own body daily - it's called eating. Should we ban eating?
Cakes77 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:5,176 Points:1,655,670 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:58:28 PM Ignore Cakes77 Report Abuse This sounds like Vermont, very independent. A very helpful article here. Thanks for posting this.
djwhit Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,027 Points:1,211,380 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:58:26 PM Ignore djwhit Report Abuse SOUNDS GREAT......
sickhp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,394 Points:520,805 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:43:32 PM Ignore sickhp Report Abuse Socialist, drill baby drill in all of America.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,337 Points:2,375,145 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:33:22 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse such goody two shoes. please stay in vermont
glorioussnookie Champion Author Tennessee Posts:3,761 Points:699,370 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:22:44 PM Ignore glorioussnookie Report Abuse OHMS I am afraid you are so correct in your comment! Keep those sensible comments coming!
Rehorsehay All-Star Author California Posts:871 Points:45,925 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:18:53 PM Ignore Rehorsehay Report Abuse Shame on CNN for distorting the truth about FRACKING.
Penny_Pincher Veteran Author Columbus Posts:435 Points:22,695 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:14:01 PM Ignore Penny_Pincher Report Abuse I looked at a map that shows there is no Utica Shale or Marcellus Shale under Vermont. That's what they've been fracking lately. I don't know if there is any other kind of shale in the Northeast that has gas & oil or not:Shale Maps from Geology.Com
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:13,738 Points:1,695,780 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:11:11 PM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse The court actions have just begun; raising the prices for us.
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:3,558 Points:712,380 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:08:50 PM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Frack the Frackers.